
WWII veterans are dying out. Almost all of them will be gone within the next decade. Ken Burns and Steven Spielberg have both been working overtime to document grandpa’s war stories while he’s still around to tell them.

WWII veterans are dying out. Almost all of them will be gone within the next decade. Ken Burns and Steven Spielberg have both been working overtime to document grandpa’s war stories while he’s still around to tell them. So why doesn’t the passing of the “The Greatest Generation” make me upset?
Don’t get me wrong, I know that it’s sad. And I certainly appreciate their bravery and sacrifice. But that pales in comparison to my glee that I will no longer be expected to respect my elders. But for the last 60 years, we’ve been so utterly enthralled to the greatness of that generation that it’s a little overwrought.
I don’t hate old people. I don’t even hate Boomers. In fact, I’d say the generation gap is one of the narrower gaps that exist in modern society: I have a lot more in common with some old fart who reads Shelby Foote than I do with the 25-year-old who DVRs every episode of Entourage. And that’s my point: It genuinely doesn’t matter when you were born.
No subsequent generation has won a war against a country that wasn’t near the bottom of the world poverty index, so they can’t very well wave that in my face, so the World War II generation is regarded as the last heroic group of Americans. The kids they raised, on the other hand, were brought up in all the decadent postwar wealth America had accumulated and formed the baby boom. Our perspective on each generation subsequent to that one has been that we are in decline, and that no American generation will ever be as brave or as pure of heart.
I only know one WWII veteran personally. He’s my mother’s uncle, and he served at the front the whole of the war. He drove a Panzer through Poland, France, and the Soviet Union. As you might have guessed, he fought on the wrong side — though he was not a Nazi, for what it’s worth, as soldiers in the Wehrmacht were not even allowed to join the party for most of the war.
Germany didn’t have a greatest generation. The preferred anti-depressant of subsequent generations was amnesia, and the generation that fought was mostly ignored as a matter of convenience. Lonnie died in his 80s after a long career as a judge in Munich. He never talked about the war. It wasn’t out of a sense of nobility but rather because everyone of subsequent generations would have preferred that him and the rest of the living reminders of their biggest historical fuck-up would simply disappear.
Lonnie was barely an adult when he was conscripted and likely had no more sophisticated an understanding of the war he was joining than the average U.S. grunt did. Likewise, some kid from Iowa who joined the Marines wasn’t thinking about the fate of the poor Jews in Dachau when he showed up to the recruitment depot. And a year later, when he was pissing into the mouth of some decapitated Jap’s head (as Eugene Sledge reported seeing in his memoirs of the Pacific Theater), he probably wasn’t concerned with the realpolitick of American interests in the Pacific.
VJ Day was celebrated by a soldier bending a nurse over and kissing her so hard she started the Baby Boom. But nobody thought to bring cameras when the the Soviets decided to celebrate the imminent VE Day by turning Berlin into what Gary Brecher called “a giant woodstock of free, forced love.” The Baby Boom in Germany was marked by a startling number of Russian-looking kids.
In our national consciousness, World War II was our glory moment as a nation. When we watch Saving Private Ryan, we marvel at the brave men facing certain death in the first waves of Normandy, and we wring our hands as that pussy Upham cowers in the stairwell while his Jewish friend gets slowly stabbed to death. In reality, most of the dying in World War II was done by civilians on both sides, and most of the fighting was done by the not terribly nice Soviets. Villages in the Eastern Front would change hands between the Nazis and the Communists half a dozen times, and if a peasant sucked up too hard to the Nazis, you could bet he was going to face retribution when Der Kommisar came back to town.
I’m not mentioning these things to draw a moral equivalence between the Allies and the Axis. Nazis are bad, I think everyone who’s seen Ilsa: She-Wolf of the SS learned that lesson. And I don’t think anyone’s too terribly surprised that bad things happened on both sides of a war. But if two people, my Uncle Lonnie and your average American vet, can be either vilified or celebrated for making pretty much the same decision, we might want to re-evaluate our reasoning before we write a hagiography for everyone whose parents happened to fuck during flapper times.
What I hate is the whole notion of “generations.” The impulse to genuflect before the Greatest Generation has less to do with their accomplishments than our insecurity. We don’t admire them, we just hate ourselves. The flip side of this coin is the “kids today” moralizing that’s been going on since Socrates bitched that “the young people of today think of nothing but themselves” (likely after some young nubile refused to let him put his hand up his toga). It doesn’t matter if it’s hatred of youth or veneration of the old, it all derives from the same cowardly impulse to drown the complexities of the here and now in a tidal wave of “whatever happened to Gary Coop-ah” nostalgia.




wow, that’s truly a terribly structured and reasoned argument
You are entirely full of shit.
wow. you spent the entire article telling us what you’re NOT saying. what the fuck ARE you saying?
the entirety of the 20th century was a bloodbath. hitler and mussolini were bad but stalin and even FDR were the same thing. all the sudden everyone got the idea to have a pimp and ho system with their government, just send them all your money and let them decide what to do. It was supposed to be progressive but it was utterly disaterous and more akin to the days of the pharohs than any leap forward. ww2 should never have happened. that it did should be embarassing. really, how can you brag about being allied with stalin?
Word…She Wolf of the SS…shit is gruesome.
that was a good read for the morning, thanks!
Starts well, ends so-so, completely meanders in the middle. Poorly structured/researched/reasoned argument, overall.
Also, fuck your dead uncle. Twice. In the 2-chute. Fucking kraut loser.
At least Uncle Lonnie wasn’t like those Vietnam vets whining on and on about how they didn’t get their love after they came home from the war.
what in the hell is this shit?
Dude, we’ve all read ‘All Quiet On The Western Front’
Grouping people into generations based on time periods is about as effective as grouping people into generations based upon height. It’s arbitrary–that was the point you were trying to make?
little scotty mouth breather is what the fagelah is called
Is it just me or did the Street Carnage message board suddenly get taken over by a bunch of academics?
it’s a political article
word word word i love it. this isnt about politics or war vets tho, u gays missed the point.
“the same cowardly impulse to drown the complexities of the here and now in a tidal wave of “whatever happened to Gary Coop-ah” nostalgia.” its cowardly i guess but its also universal. a lot of ppl in the armed forces now kinda use this idea to big themselves up for what they do, but to be honest, their enlistment has little to do with our country’s security/freedoMS. Idk if they really 100% believe it either. It’s cool to say that shit to get free drinks/pussy/what have u, but its def more of a career choice than a call to fight for justice or whatever. Some ppl excel at fighting and others at being brave and noble, they don’t always overlap, i hope that makes sense.
Wow, thank the good lord that I know know what you hate.
Maybe a C- at Arizona State or some other 3rd tier farm school.
Also that’s already taking into account grade inflation, so it’s pretty bad.
@fredMS: So, according to you, it seems like we don’t even need a military. Their enlistment has little to do with our country’s security?
@Zippy: I hope that’s a troll. I don’t think the guys that were drafted, then stuck in a jungle to get shot to shit were looking to “get their love” when they came home. Most just wanted to be left alone. If you had a real Dad he’d slap you. Go back to your hip hop videos and bitching about the man at cafes.
@drippy dog dix, yeah, currently, I’d say so. if we weren’t in iraq or afghanistan, we wouldn’t be getting attacked here. The idea that we’re fighting over there, so we don’t have to fight here doesn’t apply. I think US official policy for war in iraq and afghanistan is still to implement democracy, nothing to do with terrorism. how many of the soldiers do you think are thinking ‘man, i really hope these iraqis get some democracy.’ It’s not even in the US’ best interests for iraq/afghanistan to have democracies.
also, no one’s trying to downplay what the soldiers did. its just that the idea that they were all heroic and just and moral archetypes is misguided, the same way that everyone on the other side of wwII was accordingly horrible is too.
Quinn Conway is a pseudonym for Gavin McInnes
This personal account of uncle Lonard, although nicely executed, is a fabrication.
here, here. the dying out of this generation may be something slipping away, but it’s also a chance for us to look at history objectively without the people who lived it telling us what it was…
whoopee all the real men are dying out, and in their place we are left with a bunch of fat, emotional pieces of shit… a generation of whining crybabies that are in love with the sound of their own voices.
peace is a wonderful thing, but it breeds stupidity…
i really liked what bart simpson had to say regarding gen-xers
“we need another vietnam to thin out their ranks a little”
what a bunch of bullshit. you know nothing…
I knew it was Gavin from that bit about the sailor kissing the chick so hard it caused the baby boom. That line has been used on this site by him at least 3 times before.
Also, there should be way less people in the military right now. The military should be a tiny branch of the government. Reinstate the draft. If things get real, Americans will step up. WW2 was fought by 80% draftees and they did just fine. I’m sick of guys/girls who join the military, don’t ever get shot at and then want to claim some kind of bravery for serving their country and act like they’re so great. You got a free meal,a roof over your head and a college education courtesy of me. You should be thanking me, not me you.
Once you hit the rank of Staff NCO/E-6 or Captain/0-2 (in any branch of service) you’re just another bureaucrat waiting for that pension.
Sorry, the rank of Captain is an 0-3. 0-6 in the Navy.
Aww is Quinn/Gavin mad cause an octogenarian with a cane made him look like the biggest pussy in the in universe in front of the kids at the bar?
Uh yes they are the greatest generation cause those fuckers not only fought Nazis and the Japanese, they were fighting starvation at home due to the depression. Those fuckers were tougher than shit, they worked every day without complaining to put a meal on the table, most of them retired with almost every one of their sick days, jumped at over time, and suffered in silence when they did get sick or hurt. They were real men, even beyond the country first spin. In their own lives they put their wives, children, parents first in everything beyond their own wants and needs because that was what a grown man did! You sound like such an emotionally stunted man child bitching and moaning about a generation of men who acted like men!!!
For the record, I am not Quinn nor do I advocate grandpa-bashing. I see WWII vets as the greatest generation and always reference them when criticizing boomers.
Did you really pat yourself on the back after posting this?
You know why Chinese and Indians own this country now? It’s because their young minds are hard at work learning Calculus and not busy writing shit like “Meh.. our grandparents weren’t THAT great.” For a lot of people coming of age in the late thirties fighting in horrendous war was actually a BETTER career choice than working yourself to death in a field. How dare you try to diminish the legacy of the soldiers,seamen or airmen on any side of the conflict. This is some of the most puerile gibberish I’ve read in awhile. Go check your twitter you dunderhead.
Oh please…they weren’t “heroes”…they were a bunch of dumb asses who were forced to fight in a war they didn’t understand…
So just because they were cogs in the machinery of an industrialist agenda that invalidates what many of them endured and survived? They were humans put into a horrific situation and many lived and helped build the suburban enclaves that you whiny entitled brats slithered out of. “dumb asses” Let’s mock the trials and tribulations of an older generation! Look at how smart and sassy we are! What constitutes work and struggle for you anyways? Scouring the internet for car commercial music? Public relations?