Let me begin by saying that there’s NO WAY you will EVER convince me that any member of the Republican Right would ever actually want a member of the opposition to be shot.
Let me begin by saying that there’s NO WAY you will EVER convince me that any member of the Republican Right would ever actually want a member of the opposition to be shot. I don’t care if Sharron Angle talks about the second amendment like it was a cheat code in Halo, I won’t ever believe any Tea Party member wanted Gabrielle Giffords to be gunned down.
To every liberal acting like Glenn Beck pulled the trigger himself: Shut the fuck up. For however out of line the rhetoric on the far Right has been –- and it has been — it’s still true that only people who are very fucking crazy go out on shooting sprees and contrary to popular belief, watching Glenn Beck does not actually make you crazy.
In fact there’s no evidence yet to suggest that there’s any direct Right-wing influence that precipitated these events. So let’s run with that. Let’s imagine that tomorrow we find out the shooter was literally hallucinating that he was trapped inside of Grand Theft Auto and that this had nothing to do with the rhetoric coming from the Republican Right.
It still doesn’t change the fact that the rhetoric on the far Right needs to change now; not through the covert scrubbing of damning websites, but with a clear message from the leadership.
So far all I’ve been hearing from both sides is a steady flow of divisive politicking. The reactions from people almost fully fit the partisan expectations that continue to divide the United States, which is what gives extreme rhetoric its appeal in the first place. If you’re a liberal and you’re out for some kind of retribution or punishment, then you couldn’t be missing the point any harder. If you’re on the Right and complaining about how liberals are politicizing a tragedy: Shut the fuck up. If you think that the rhetoric you’re using is being vilified because of the politicizing of this tragedy, you’re wrong. The nature of your rhetoric was always inappropriate. This tragedy is just now bringing into focus how inappropriate it has always been because the rhetoric is being reflected against the potential real life consequences it hints at.
Through this tragedy the Right has an opportunity to do something that could possibly transcend party lines: They could blow my fucking mind and actually prove that politicians can act like adults by not pointing across the aisle and criticizing what the liberals are doing wrong, but instead own up to all the things that are wrong with what they’re doing and fix them. Be accountable.
When audience members at the McCain-Palin rallies shouted things about Obama like “traitor” and “kill him,” there was no repudiation immediately forthcoming from either candidate. There should have been.
Today with the Tea Party there’s the same kind of vibe. All you need to do is a quick Google Image search to find openly racist or violent signage at Tea Party rallies. Even if the numbers are overstated it doesn’t change the fact they’re all unacceptable. The far Right brings out the kind of shit you see here:
The rhetoric being used has to change.
Someone with real balls, who is not afraid to anger those harboring hateful or violent sentiment, needs to step forward and clearly and openly state that this kind of shit will not be tolerated at rallies or pandered to in the parties political rhetoric.
People on the Right: You didn’t ask for this, but you do get to decide how you handle it. And I know there are people on the Left who are also fucked up. Pointing that out isn’t making you any better. Set the example.
If you’re on the Left, be ready to hold the rhetoric of your party up to the same level of scrutiny you would for Republicans. Eliminating the threat of violence and hate from political rhetoric is not a partisan issue.
Also, don’t think for a second that I’m some Left-wing activist who’s relishing this right now. Believe me when I say I take absolutely no pleasure in this whatsoever.
Go ahead and tell me to choke on my own dick and die in the comments.
If you think this is just about a target map on Sarah Palin’s website, here -– off the top of my head — are some other moments of questionable Tea Party rhetoric I can think of:
- the “Help remove Giffords by firing an M-16 with Jesse Kelly” event
- Nevada GOP Senate nominee Sharron Angle’s suggestion that people are looking to second amendment remedies and that the first thing that needs to be done is to take out Harry Reid
- Stephen Broden’s statement that the option of violence is on the table with respect to dealing with a tyrannical government
- Rich Iott’s involvement with Wiking and his fondness for the military efficiency of Nazi Germany
- Lamar Smith saying that the liberal media is a greater threat to America than terrorism
- The North Iowa ad comparing Obama to Lenin and Hitler
- Glen Urquhart suggesting that liberals are Nazi’s for wanting separation of church and state
- Joe Miller’s security guards getting into an altercation with a reporter at an event where he said if East Germany could secure their border then so can the U.S.
- A top five from Rand Paul that saves me from having to type the couple I already knew
Add more in the comments from either the LEFT or the RIGHT.
because the left doesn’t engage in this ad nauseum, is that right?
do me a favor and google image “george bush hitler” or “george bush nazi”, or google “tea party threat” just for starters and see what comes up and from whence it comes.
you can’t go to a left website and not read about “evil” bush and his “regime” and we’re over two years into a dem president’s term.
more specifically, how about the left writing what they did about giffords after she did not vote for pelosi?
spot on. the shooter’s mind, such as it is, seems to be a mish-mash schizoid political word salad, coupled with classic paranoiac fantasies and a belief in an idiosyncratic use of language which would allow him to free himself of the mind-control practiced by the u.s. government.
attempting to tie his rather outre thought processes to the political right or left is self-defeating and pointless. will be interesting to see if american politicians can use this tragedy in a positive way and raise the level of political discourse. i’m not holding my breath.
@ Anonymous
Did you miss the part where I said pointing at the other guy and saying “he does it too” does not absolve you of the fact what you’re doing is wrong? Grow up. Have some accountability.
I never said the Left are exempt from criticism for any rhetoric they use to suggest violence or hate.
@ Blaahus
I’m not holding my breath either
i think you hit the nail on the head.
the whole political landscape in the US is fuct up. both the left and right act is if they are in kindergarden.
i think both sides should stand up and call out anyone who spreads lies, doesn’t matter what side they are on.
@anonymous – re: left media talking about bush:
it is true, the left media doesn’t forget….but not forgetting is the best way to not make the same mistake in the future.
the right, as crazy as they are, should stop this BS rhetoric and act like adults.
it is a shame a tragedy like this cannot bring ppl together….instead it is pulling America apart.
@ Anonymous, even if what you said was relevant (and it isn’t – two wrongs don’t make a right), I challenge, nay DEFY you to cite enough references to back up your ridiculous claim that the far right is less guilty of hate-mongering and vitriol than the left. This link contains hundreds of examples of hyperbolic and downright VIOLENT rhetoric representative of mainstream GOP pundits, most of whom have audiences in the millions. The kicker? ALL OF THIS STUFF IS FROM THE BUSH ERA, BEFORE PRESIDENT OBAMA WAS ELECTED! I could probably give you THOUSANDS more links which have popped up in the three years since!
Accountability? What’s that?!
http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/03/eliminationism-in-america-appendix.html
was this a joke too?
It doesn’t matter what you identify as, you are still the citizen of a nation that will stomp out anything and everything in its path for total control. Squabble about some little shooting so that you can then operate in total ignorance of the hypocrisy within which your countries professed ideals contradict its day to day political action. Do you really think anyone in the govt actually runs the show? Enjoy your cola, pigs and your pigs…..uh, colas?
i saw this coming a long time ago (except i thought for sure theyd go after obama first)
do politicians on the right actually want people to assassinate politicians on the left? no. but that doesnt mean theyre not just a tiny bit responsible. they know perfectly well how stupid, uninformed, naive and impulsive the average person is (emphasis on stupid) watch any 30second political ad and youll agree.
need further proof?-what about all those idiots out there buying fucking “power bracelets” because hey, if the tv and kobe bryant say they work, they must work.
it just seems irresponsible and criminal to rile up these already angry simpletons.
No matter the motives, this was a sick act perpetrated by a disturbed individual. There will always be disagreements in politics, but much of the anger and vitriol being spread is purely misguided and many people are misinformed. As a “liberal,” I do place more blame on the right for some of the hate and propaganda that has shaped many stupid people’s opinions. By using such bold rhetoric to describe very marginal changes in policy, people are duped into believing that they are “losing their country.” I hope that people will begin to see that much of this political positioning is merely that; and most of this partisianship is not actually for the betterment of society but rather for personal gain (this applies to both sides of the aisle).
That being said, on the Diane Rhems show today, a Texan Republican stated that he was exempt from the blame for politcal polarization. He then used the rest of his time to further use his spotlight as a tool for stating that the country is basically undersiege from a socialist agenda.
Will people ever learn from history? Even when the blood hasn’t yet dried?
@chron
see link:
http://patterico.com/2007/03/05/leftist-hate-speech/
what the fuck is with all of these pseudonyms
Oh Lord. How ’bout we not bother trying to stop other adults from saying whatever they want to say. If you don’t like it, organize and vote them out of office. Crazy people will continue to be batshit fuckin’ crazy regardless. Crazy people will also continue to do crazy things like shooting other people, mainly because they are crazy.
the better way to solve this would be to stop expanding the government so much. That way it would never occur to these wackos to do this or make signs like the ones you show.
if obama had sensible economic policies and was taking the country in the way it wanted to go, decentralized instead of dragging it where it doesn’t FURTHER 20th century style centralization , there wouldn;t BE a tea party movement.
When did liberals stop understanding/ believing in root causes?
My facebook persona is 100% authentic and in no way some caricature meant to take advantage of this awful situation. Just check me out.
i wonder how pissed tea-baggers get when people call em teabaggers. i mean do they start spit shining their guns all angry or do they just say good one ya got me there geez i wish we would have called our selves no more taxes baggers or something cuz this whole teabagger play on words is gonna make us look like a joke man. but yeah, if your wacky your wacky i ain’t gonna blame adult word play anymore than i’m gonna blame ice-t for cops getting killt or born against or someone else with lots of political death imagery. next thing you know they’re amending the patriotic act and we can’t say shit other than i love america because it’s number 1/numero uno. get a grip. kid killed people cuz he’s a stage 1 million schizophernic who didn;t get treatment.
The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.
Sean Penn reveled in the fact that Reagan got Alzheimer’s. Wanda Sykes wished Limbaugh’s kidneys would fail. The Daily Kos crowd and all the anti-war protesters have said things and carried signs that were just as damming as anything the Tea Party has. It’s a two-way street. I don’t think one side has more or less crazies than the other.
The last two presidents who got shot at were Republicans: Reagan and Ford.
Reagan’s would-be killer was a loner with, as far as I can tell, indiscernible politics and a creepy Hollywood obsession.
Ford’s shooter was a wacky ginger chick who belonged to the Manson Family and defended her actions as part of some half-cocked plan to save the environment.
I realize The Fool allowed a loophole here, but it was essentially, “I’m not saying the Left is immune, but, having said that, I’m going to focus entirely on the Right.”
I’m hearing all sorts of things about Jared Loughner, one of which should at least intrigue Benjamin Leo—Loughner’s mom is said to be Jewish. Otherwise, he encourages burning the American flag and is a fan of “The Communist Manifesto,” which are two solid strikes against the idea that can he be comfortably pigeonholed as “right-wing.”
As far as I can tell, what he shares with John Hinckley and Squeaky Fromme is a tendency toward disorganized thinking.
From my experience, calls for violent overthrow of authority figures are not exclusive to either end of this silly social construct known as the political left/right spectrum. Nor is nuttiness exclusive to either end. What’s truly nutty is believing that either end actually exists.
There aren’t going to be any “Kumbayah” moments until most people who are “politically active” understand that being assertively “Democrat” or “Republican” is largely a tribal identification divorced of pragmatic solutions to our country’s problems.
In other words, don’t hold your breath. Check out this book: http://www.amazon.com/Second-Civil-War-Partisanship-Washington/dp/1594201390
I once called in to NPR and got through to a guy who had a book about the growing cultural division between left and right and what could be done. I asked him you know how about we have the federal government do less so the blue states can be blue and the red states can be red and we can like stay out of each others face. He had absolutely no idea what I was talking about. To them 2008 either meant we were going to vote for mcCain and go to war with iran or vote for Obama and get national health care. It would never have occured to them that we dont HAVE to have EITHER.
no mountain, no king of the mountain.
‘…. he encourages burning the American flag and is a fan of “The Communist Manifesto,” which are two solid strikes against the idea that can he be comfortably pigeonholed as “right-wing”‘
Isn’t most of rhetoric out of the tea-party confused and contradictory, though? One minute the Democrats are Nazis, the next they’re Communists. Its obvious this was just some nut with gun, but there seems to be an increasing number of them in the US.
these comments have strayed way off topic.
@”Isn’t most of rhetoric out of the tea-party confused and contradictory, though? ”
Where is there the merest evidence that this guy identified as a member of the Tea Party? I’m not saying he doesn’t, but where’s the evidence?
What’s psychologically fascinating to me is this unyielding, blind, won’t-take-no-for-an-answer need to place him in the Tea Party whether there’s any evidence for it or not.
But a broader answer to your question is that nearly all rhetoric that issues from the mouths of self-identified leftists or rightists is confused and contradictory, because political reality is far too complex to be categorized in such simplistic terms. As someone else already pointed out, these are arbitrary designations intended to encourage political tribalism and to otherwise allow non-interesting and non-exceptional individuals feel as if they’re part of some imaginary “team.”
Luke O’Neil once said that merely because Al Gore is a hypocrite and rides a jet plane, that doesn’t automatically doesn’t mean global warming isn’t real.
Let’s transmute that analogy…I’ve read that Jared Loughner was suspicious of our currency system.
Does the fact that he’s a nut who shot at a congresswoman therefore automatically mean our currency system isn’t corrupt?
Of course not. There’s no relation. Loughner remains a nut, and the Federal Reserve remains corrupt as shit.
But as I type this, there are a lot of people who’d benefit from linking psychosis and gun violence to the mere act of questioning authority. Keep that in mind and try to transcend all this messy baby shit about left and right.
“If They Bring a Knife to the Fight,? We? Bring a Gun”
–Barack Obama–
wtf is with them question marks? perils of copy/paste i guess.
@ Dim Choad
“What’s psychologically fascinating to me is this unyielding, blind, won’t-take-no-for-an-answer need to place him in the Tea Party whether there’s any evidence for it or not.”
Just a I am rapt by your need to bring Jews into this any more than necessary.
Just where did you get this bit of info on his mother? I did a bit of perfunctory research m’self; how much credence do you want to lend to sites like Stormfront or goldlikeproductions? (Just to give you all an idea of what the latter site looks like: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1318303/pg1)
There was no mention of Laughner’s parentage that I could find in any reputable news source…but, of course, they’re all owned by Jews, who want to corner the Teflon market and eat your children.
@”Just where did you get this bit of info on his mother?”
That would be the notoriously Nazi publication Mother Jones:
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/01/jared-lee-loughner-friend-voicemail-phone-message?page=2
And I’m sure that Benjamin, being a Jew with a sense of humor, probably realized that my intention was not to blame Jews, but to introduce an element to the story that both of us would likely find comical.
But now that I think about it, “Jew” tends to undermine “Tea Party,” so bite on it and run with it, sailor.
The populist Left (Kucinich) and the populist Right (Paul) have bent themselves so completely in the opposite direction that, much to their surprise, they now stand for almost the same things. Yet only, the left should drop its objection to “gun control” and recognize that abortion is fucking disgusting and completely preventable. And the right should quit confusing The Constitution with Anarcho-Capitalism. Or at the very least they should admit they are Anarchists and stop hypocritically denouncing Classical Leftwing Anarchism as somehow more evil and more of a threat than unrestrained Corporate Anarchism (i.e. the rightwing schizo who clamors for “smaller gub’mint” out of misguided paranoia, while allowing Corporate control to pervert The Constitution beyond recognition.) Because, surely the case cannot be made that Leftwing Classical Anarchism has even the tiniest toe-hold in modern American politics. While “small government” Anarcho-Corporate-Capitalism dominates the entire American political spectrum.
WPA- an cap is not corporate. the collusion between big government and big business is at the heart of much of what is wrong with the economy. To be anti state is to be anti corporate in most cases. Also, many republicans are strongly for protectionism and so forth and are not anywhere near anarchist, Pat Buchanan being an example of this.
left wing anarchism is okay but it is not dependable on private property and also has permutations like anarcho-syndicalism that are not interesting.
I’ll admit there is some kind of double speak re the constitution but to say that I am not a big fan of it or documents like it doesn’t mean I don’t WANT the protections it offers or is said to. So I can kind of have my cake and eat it to as usual on that one hehe.
Pat Buchanan, much to my personal surprise, is one dude on the right that I feel is worthy of discourse and possible coalition. Unfortunately, when engaged in normal political discourse with people who identify with right leaning politics I am met with an almost thuggish display of linguistic exceptionalism that only barely masks the trump card of “threat of violence” to sway the argument in their direction. It makes my mind collapse in on itself. At the end of the day, I would never fire a gun unless my family is directly threatened. While, Republiweirdos want to shoot me because I think some of our tax dollars could be allocated to public education. It’s perverted.
Some people are a colour that is leaning one way because of difference. But why? Who can really say, i know i can. Because im right, and here is why. Im right because im me and you are you. You are wrong because your not me.
are you that dude who just shot those people?
Honestly though can we just get back to classical liberalism? Would that be too much to ask? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism
It’s not exactly a rigid ethos. And it’s not nearly as ridiculous as the polarized caricature of modern “liberalism” (which happens to be as ridiculous as the modern interpretation of “conservatism”).
1st – There need to be laws in place to prevent anyone with a pulse from buying and concealing semi-automatic weapons. The fact that Giffords was anti-gun-control doesn’t change the fact that the NRA has got too much pull.
2nd – There is not a direct cause and effect relationship between the Right Wing’s rhetoric and Loughnor’s deranged behavior. However, the Republicans (and some Democrats) are catering their terminology and their policies to some very reactionary people. That sort of catering ultimately ends up effecting laws (for example, laws making it possible for criminally insane people to easily obtain weapons). Also, when politicians and the media pander to violent reactionary elements, that does encourage nascent lunatics looking for a reason to act out. This is not to say that these lunatics would not have found some other reason to go out and shoot someone. But there is a relationship between this assassination and the current political & media climate.
Jim Goad’s introduction of Jews was clearly the high point of the conversation, though in all fairness, the bar’s pretty low around here.
Also: The notion that “Dick” would feign offense over the humorous identification of Lougnerstein as a yid is infinitely more repugnant to me than the worst holocaust joke imaginable.
Good work, Fool: well-phrased, heartfelt stuff that got the people groovin. Anything that gets my hero Goad onto the dance floor is nothing to sneeze at.
Reminds me of the writing of another dark gentleman I used to know…
This is kind of tangential, but I don’t understand why Libertarians (like Gavin and the rest of the folks over at Taki’s) would be so emotionally invested when it comes to Sarah Palin. Objectively, she’s pretty indefensible (on account of her being really fucking stupid) and it kind of discredits you when you play captain save a ho. Your enemy’s enemy is not your friend.
Dave Chappelle used to write for this site?
moufbreava- there are no libertarians at takimag. Gavin is not one and the rest of them certainly aren’t. Their used to be one named Gutzman who was an expert on the constitution and the conservatives there shit on him because he wasn’t for auto bailouts and didn’t kiss their ass.
moufbreatha,
maybe they don’t like how palin’s used as the snob liberal’s aggressively passive-aggressive excuse to shit on the entire white “regular people” demographic and turn them into one-track scapegoats for their empty lives?
On Kos, which is sort of the hangout for the Democratic versions of Sarah Palin, you get “she’s dead to me” and in 2004, the DLC (that’s a blue-team campaign machine) ran the exact same ad with the gun targets on the map that Palin is getting crucified for.
I loathe Palin and most of the right, but thinking that the left is morally superior is the grown-up equivalent of believing that pro wrestling is real.
I don’t get this huge aversion to violent rhetoric. Maybe it’s because I’m Scottish but I love me some curse words and hyperbolic imagery. What’s the matter with saying, “Fuck Obama, I hope he dies”? When did we get all Victorian? All this “Don’t say that’ talk reminds me of the “No Means No” campaigns where Susie Bright and Annie Sprinkle said, “This is getting depressing. Can’t I just say, ‘Yes Means Yes’?”
Been arguing with Brits about the EDL
http://takimag.com/article/english_defence_league_defending_the_rainbow_against_extreme_islam
and they keep saying we need to get these thugs out of the equation and focus on rational discussion. Why? Because Jon Stewart said so in DC? What’s the matter with a good punch up? What’s the matter with cross hairs and fuck offs? When the Scots settled upstate New York there were creeks named “Cunt” and roads named “Fuck Lane.” What’s the matter with being crass and rude and violent? Especially when everybody else is? Why is anything outside of a salon and said with a pipe, unacceptable?
There is no evidence that video games or horror movies or comic books or “swears” lead to violent behavior. Porn doesn’t lead to rape. And if you check the #s, guns don’t lead to gun violence (You’d think it would but it doesn’t). I have no problem with Palin’s crosshairs, or even retarded Olberman’s stupid boogeyman shit, or Fox News hyperbole. It’s interesting. Let everyone say whatever the fuck comes to their mind and let everyone have a gun. Crazy people will kill you with a sharpened toothbrush. They do it in prison. To want to monitor discourse and say we all have to be civilized about it is to be a bourgeois fag. If the Mark Twain censors heard how much the kids in my neighborhood say nigga they would reconsider banning the word. You might as well tell the Jersey Shore cast they can’t say like.
“Let a hundred flowers blossom.”
-Mao Zedong
the woman in photo #2′s placard joke is not finished. It should be, “the zoo has an african LION, the white house has a lyin’ african”. And that’s why we’ll never take you right-wing nut jobs seriously.
oh wait. she used a picture of a lion. never mind. we should take them seriously.
man. am I ever in the mood for a non sequitur..
“Works Progress Administation Says:
While, Republiweirdos want to shoot me because I think some of our tax dollars could be allocated to public education. It’s perverted.”
Republicans like George W Bush and and a Republican controlled Congress that expanded the Dept of Education budget by 30%.
If your gonna make shit up, at least it’s semi-believable.
^^^ make sure it’s semi-believable.
Reload son. Reload.
You know, last year was the deadliest year for American forces in Afghanistan (after 9 years of occupation).
As we speak, Congress is writing (and will probably pass) one of the most restrictive internet laws in history.
Multinational corporations have made record profits and continue to do so, while many of my friends are running out of unemployment benefits during this economic “recovery.”
But it’s relieving to know, ALL of the news media networks will use these crimes in Arizona as a talking point about America’s favorite Republican for the next month. That’s what I call progress.?
I don’t understand why you say the rhetoric must stop out of one side of your mouth, while out of the other you say that the rhetoric wasn’t responsible for the shooter’s crazy. Either it is, and it should stop, or it isn’t, and we shouldn’t care.
FWIW I’m anti-Palin. Draw your own conclusions, if drawn they must be.
Just to make one last point, I seriously can’t comprehend the excuse of pointing out the obvious bias of Fox News to justify the gross pro-Democrat/Leftist bias of every other news network.
News has become nothing but bickering (against the OTHER side) instead of laying out actual events which concerns ALL Americans no matter what political spectrum they reside in.
Okay, I’ll get off my own soapbox now.
6 dead including a 9 year old girl, 14 wounded in 10 seconds — but still,
“let everyone have a gun. Crazy people will kill you with a sharpened toothbrush. They do it in prison.”
Hm.
@ toothbrush
It goes completely against what you’d expect to be true but lax gun laws do not lead to more crime. It leads to less crime. You obviously don’t really care if you’ve never looked it up.
Same goes with education. Yiou’d think schools need more money but funding doesn’t improve grades.
If looking all this up sounds too demanding, just tune into Stossel once and a while. It’s easy.
WELL WHO WOULD OF THROUGHT THAT A SO-CALL MAN KNOW AS ‘THE FOOL’ WOUDL BE SPOUTING HIS KIND OF VIOLENT RETHORIC AGAINST THE RIGHT – WELL IT JUST GOES TO SHOW THE BLATENT HIPOCRISY IN THE KIND OF LIBERAL FASCHISM SO PREVELANT FROM THE PEANUT GALLERY OF TODAY’S NEW BREAD OF WEB-BASED BLOGGER’S. WELL NANCY RAEGEN USE TO SAY ‘JUST SAY NO’ AND SHE ALSO SAID ‘STAY IN SCHOOL’ BUT IF SOME ONE WOUDL OF TOLD HER ABOUT THIS ‘OP ED’ SHE SAY ‘JUST SAY NO TO THE FOOL!’ LOL
WELL ANY WAYS THANKS TO THE COMMENTOR ‘JIM’ FOR MENSIONING THAT LAUGHNER IS A JEW BECASUE WE NEED TO BE RE-MIND THAT LIB’S LIKE THE ARIZONA SHERRIFF WILL GO TO ANY LENGTH’S TO ACCUSE THE JEW’S OF HATEFUL RETHORIC, WELL ITS A CLEAR ‘BLOOD LIBLE’. WELL NEXT THING YOU WELL BE SAYING LAUGHNER PUT THE BLOOD OF PALESTEIN IN HIS LATTEE!
WELL FINALEY WE NEED TO WAIT FOR ALL THE EVIDANCE. WE STILL CA’NT SAY WHEATHER THIS IS A PLANT BY LIB’S TO BE AN ‘AGENT PROVACOTEURE’, LIKE SUCH AS WHEN ABORSIONIST BABY KILER’S STARTED TO SHOOTING THEM-SELVE’S BETWEEN THE HEAD IN ORDER TO HELP THE LAME-STREAM MEDIA BLAME ALL THOSE OF US WHOM OUR PRO-LIFE.
‘NOUGH’ SAID
MYTH: Gun Control reduces crime
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_YTM_eAWnQ
there was never any civility in politics.
Hold yer ad hominems right there, pardner, I wasn’t particularly inveighing contra gun ownership per se, rather I was highlighting that the AZ kid had a 31-round clip on a semi-auto. I mean, c’mon. You brought a toothbrush to a gunfight–pardon, I mean a 10-second slaughter of a full score of unsuspecting innocents.
I live in Phoenix, and just this past summer I had the pleasure of besting my brother, who lives near Albuquerque, when I squeezed off more perfect 25-yard shots on his .45 Glock than he did. We were at his his pal’s parched-grass ranch, and I enjoyed placing 100-yard target shots from the rancher’s hobby AR-15. The gent was also kind enough to let me go a clip on his M-1 Garand–whatta solid heavy brutish kicker that piece of history is. “Take that, you fuckin’ Kraut!” I yelled as I put holes in a rusty corrugated roofing sheet that was flapping in the cold tumbleweed wind.
There’s no easy answers to the huge social questions, but a prison toothbrush? I actually talked to the guy this past year who’s making a tidy biz selling his newly patented bendy-rubber toothbrushes to prisons. So I suppose that’s my point–an ameliorative pragmatic bendy-toothbrush approach is just about always more compassionate and reasonable than is an uncompromising ideological blue-steel- toothbrush stance.
Tea Partys are really just social events for fat old white people, What, you really think those people give a shit??! They just want to make signs and finally have a conversation with someone outside of their cave in the Ozarks. They know the least about American history and the Constitution, see, I told you they don’t give a shit. The proof is that Bush expanded the size of govt and the debt, they were nowhere to be seen, either this administration is more transparent so now these people have awakened from their fat coma’s, or they just don’t like a black guy in the white house. Either way, they are fat, white, old and shitty. Republicans are the worst, they never even smile. Plus they are part of the NWO.
@douchebrush tornado
“pardner” “cold tumbleweed wind”
Seriously? Did you think prohibition would sound more reasonable with some bad 1950′s western lingo and tales of your shooting prowess thrown in?
Clark, Surely you jest. Believe it or not, city boy, there are many places in the US SW where tumbleweeds form large drifts against barbed wire fences, in fact tumbleweeds were tangled within the target-detritus at which we were shooting.
Anyhoo, the sort of reflexive falsely bifurcating manichaeanism you are practicing has supplied to you the fantastic allegation that I necessarily favor wholesale “prohibiton”, whereas in fact the operative prohibition now most in evidence in this thread now appears be your personal (hopefully momentary) prohibition against reasoned debate. So, my fellow well-intentioned American, I take my leave hereof; but as I go, I’ll leave you to hang out until the long-off dawn in your occluded-view saloon after I have bought: “A round of RPGs for all noble and free fellow-citizen drunken schizophrenic lunatics within bellowing distance!!”
You are aware that from 1994 until 2004, there was a federal law that limited magazine capacity on all firearms to ten or less rounds right? Guess what the FBI and Congress found when the relevant data was examined? Limiting magazine capacity had ZERO effect on crime rates.
If women were less stuck up this guy would have gotten laid and not done this.
Congress needs to step in to make sure all America’s lone-wolf psychos get laid. We’ll call it Christina’s Law.
“Limiting magazine capacity had ZERO effect on crime rates.”
That’s a fairly suspect argument, is it not? You must know that previously manufactured big-capacity mags were in fact numerous and easily available at gunshows throughout the time of the ban. Futhermore, is generic annual “crime rates” the same as “mowing ‘em down massacre incidents”? It must be at least arguable that if leftover large-capacity mags were somehow destroyed at all once (or, more realistically, allowed to antiquify over half a century and more), then the super-spray incidents would be that much less deadly.
dragler and clark: OK, then, we have a point of hearty agreement!
“Congress needs to step in to make sure all America’s lone-wolf psychos get laid. We’ll call it Christina’s Law.”
I’ve been for this exact initiative, since, like, forever. It’s also guaranteed to be the single most successful excellent foreign policy play ever. The pro gals who would do such super-patriotic peace work should be fantastically paid and earnestly respected and revered throughout the land. “A freshly emptied seminal vesicle is a polite seminal vesicle.”
No… wait… Gavin you’re not seriously referring to that colossal douchebag John Stossel as a legitimate source of information are you? This is just that passive aggressive thing you do where you say outrageously stupid ignorant things in the hopes of outrageously stupid people taking you seriously, right?
Who is defining what “large capacity” is? Standard capacity for a Glock 19, which I shoot in competition, is 16-18 rounds.
Go to an IDPA competition some time. Only ten rounds are used per mag due to the sport being created during the ban. My first time, I shot a course of fire with 7 targets; the first 6 were Mozambique drills, the last was a Mozambique followed by a failure to stop drill.
A Mozambique is two shots to center mass and one shot to the head. A failure to stop is firing to slide-lock while advancing on the threat.
That’s a 30 round course of fire, requiring 2 reloads from cover, all shots fired while moving. I clocked 58.35 seconds with one miss. That was around the average time.
I went to Princeton and am a well respected journalist.
The fuck have you done nigga?
it’s Raymis fault
jim goad and benjamin leo are pathetic faggots
Just look it up! It’s all right there! Numbers, Stossel: it’s so simple, unless you’re lazy. Just look it up! That’s my motto, because fixing complex social and economic issues is as easy as looking in a Chilton’s manual and fixing your car. Take it from me, a total fucking piece of shit! ppppvvvvvffffffff